Sorry you missed the context, Unc.

But after thinking about it more, that can’t really be the case. Thinking back about it:

- City on the Edge of Forever established if you go back into the Prime timeline and change something, it destroys the future of that timeline (Edith died, the Federation didn’t exist in the future). Oddly enough, Spock was obsessed with correcting the timeline then, but in this movie he doesn’t seem to care. Which is odd, because he knows how to timetravel thanks to the Slingshot Maneuver.

- Yesterday’s Enterprise showed that if someone come from the past into the future (thus not being around in the past anymore) the timeline will change.

- The Mirror Universe isn’t really a good example, because it is an alternate universe, much like I would suspect the timelines in Parallels were.

I must be getting old…it just hurts to think that something that I love can never continue forward storywise past the point of Romulas’ destruction. And while characters like the crew of DS9 did exist at one point, their ultimate fate is that one day they simply disappeared and a new history was written for them.

I would have been so much happier if Prime Spock had a throwaway line that said that he went back in time to an alternate universe. That way, there really could have been two distinct timelines.

It’s okay not to like it. I know a couple of fans who despise it too but at least they don’t hide their puritanical (and I mean that kindly, really) view of Trek behind tired key words.

That people are watching a movie based on our beloved franchise does not mean they’re giving credence to what the movie is standing on the shoulders of. The movie is J.J. Abrams’ sexed-up, action movie, Cliff Notes take on Star Trek, nothing more or less. If that works for you, then more power to ya. I thought it leaned toward the cliched and predictable. That whole ‘motorcycle ridin’ rebel without a cause’ schtick was creaky when my grandparents were dating.

Needless to say, I agree with everything you said, particularly when it comes to this movie making Star Trek “big” again. Without even commenting on their quality, Enterprise and Nemesis reduced Trek to a footnote. Maybe that was inevitable, but it’s now over, and we have J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci, and Alex Kurtzman to thank for that.

Yes, it’s a reboot of sorts and a new vision. But it is completely respectful. I even appreciated that all time alterations were purely incidental and not part of some grand plan on the villain’s part to change history. I was concerned about all of this stuff too but now that I’ve seen it, I’m perfectly fine with it. Trek has new life and is relevant again. Any fan should be proud that their beloved franchise is now being watched by people who didn’t give it any credence before and giving something we love new life.

It’s always easier to be cynical and say no, than to give something a chance.

They make it clear in the movie that they know what has happened to them is completely different from what Old Spock knows happened originally. They accept that fact and move on after discussing the fact Nero can’t anticipate their moves because they are different people than what he has read about in the Romulan history books/holo’s/whatever.

Think of it more as a time loop, not a retcon if you must, but the shows we all know and love ARE STILL CANON.

Yes, even Voyager.

I would have been happier if they had left Nimoy out and just made a straight up reboot without all the quantum shenanigans. If the old Star Trek was so broken, they should have had the balls to just throw it all out and start from scratch. I would have respected that. The whole “well it sort of is and it sort of isn’t” approach is a little wussy.

Regardless, I still think that new Enterprise is ugly

Also, Uhura was always a bit of a hoochie. She kissed Kirk, flirted with Spock, prickteased Mirror-Sulu, and practically climbed on top of Scotty. She’s got to have it!

This isn’t Michael Bay’s Transformers which is clearly a different entity and alternate universe. I would’ve preferred an alnterate universe.

Its good to see some of the old continuity will continute to exist but once they move forward and do spinoff shows the old shows are no longer going to hold any water. They will get re-run on basic cable and other places but who can take them seriously anymore? Even TNG is in danger with the Spock crossover episodes is in danger.

I just wished they do a DS9 style movie for once that is not focused on Kirk/Spock and the continuity of everythiing.

Sorry for the rant. I’m still not seeing this movie.

All the past series’ events are NOT necessarily overwritten IF you accept that the Star Trek Universe operates under the theory of Quantum Reality, as illustrated in the TNG Episode, “Parallels.” According to that theory, “…all the infinite number of possible outcomes of all events that occur happen in alternate quantum realities.”

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Quantum_reality

Thus, the events of the new “Star Trek” film are basically the introduction of a new Star Trek Quantum Reality created by the time travel actions of “Ambassador Spock” who appears to be from the previously established Quantum Reality depicted in the previous series.

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Glad you liked it Commish!

LOL! I applaud you, sirrah!
(and poor Porthos 45th!)

I wasn’t too keen on the Z+Z romance, but I have to agree that Urban’s McCoy was so near flawless to De’s that I kept forgetting it WASN’T De!

Cross did an ok job at Sarek, as did Noni as Amanda. Too bad we hardly saw more than a few others of the alleged 6 Billion Vulcans when…something spoilery happens. Quinto’s shaved Sybrows turned Zpock-brows were kinda annoying, tho. Not so much Nimoy’s or even Cross’.

oh, and Uhura’s roommate looked like she had painted skin. Michael Cera in the ‘Year One’ trailer we got looked more realistic in his gold paint. Voyager does trump this movie in that respect , as did YC. ;p
(ok, I admit I watched that ep to see Wight)

also, needs more Grunny! His all too brief cameo wasn’t enough! LOL!
(Jake and his brothers are sure to be hating their father’s character in a few years!)

I’m going back tomorrow! Too bad we don’t have IMAX out here.

I thought it was a phenominal film, and I can say this wuith all honesty that I absolutely despise Star Trek.

This was one reboot I can definately get behind.

I honestly thought this movie would suck, but I will admit that I enjoyed it more than the last 3 Star Wars films, and I AM a Star Wars fan.

This is about as high of praise as I can give.