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 Post subject: If you could "re-do" a line, what would it be?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:06 am 
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I'm sure at one time there has been a line of figs/toys, either original or from a licensed property, that got you pumped, only once the product came out you were seriously underwhelmed.

My question is, what line do you most wish could be re-done, and who would you have do it? Toy Biz, Mattel, Four Horsemen, etc. What scale and style? So on and so forth. I'd liked to hear your ideas, guys.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:59 pm 
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What I have in mind right now depends. I'm thinking about redoing x-men 1 and 2 figures. It depends if TB will do x3 figs. If not, I don't think I want to see a redo.

I mainly want to do x1 over just to add more articulation to the characters. Especially the x-divas, jean, storm, rogue, mystique who didn't get a second shot at being made again for x2.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:12 pm 
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Batman Begins.

Or rather, I'd add to it. 6" figures with unique bodies.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:51 pm 
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I'd actually re-do Bandai Teen Titans.

The line is okay, but there are a lot of really baffling choices that just make it sorta confusing and lacking in focus.

1. Focus on figures:

The line began with 6" figures and bobble heads and SDs all in ONE assortment. The 6" "action figures" were not even in scale to each other and heavily gimmicked.

Bad.

The 3" line was vehicle focused (hell the figures were just tiny drivers with preposed hands to hold handlebars.)

The show is NOT about vehicles!

So, scratch both and embrace the concept of CO-OPETITION!

That is, to take advantage of your competition by making a single action figure line in 4" scale to take advantage of the popularity of the Mattel and past Hasbro and Kenner Animated DC toys.

Make it TO SCALE, which means the figures are not all 4" but a range of heights depending on the character! (amazing how so few toy companies grasp this!) So Robin and Speedy are normal size, Cyborg and Wildebeest are big. Girls are slim. Adults like Slade are taller. You get the idea.

2. Marketing, Pack out's, etc.

I'd go with single packs of the "popular guys" with appropriate accessories (Robin w/ gear, Beast boy with animal form PVCs, Cyborg w/ arm attachements, Slade w/ weapons, Master of Games with swappable bodyparts etc) at about $5-7 retail.

Then for the Deluxe wave I'd do variants of the male characters paired with female characters or secondaries (to keep the GIRLS DON'T SELL retail buying geniuses from freaking out). In this category would be Robin (Red X or alt headsculpt) with Starfire, Cyborg (chrome or alt head) w/ Raven, and Beast Boy (clear or alt head) w/ Terra, etc. The key would be the 2 packs would have appropriate variants or versions of the main guys so you would NOT have a ton of the same figure over and over. But they would be show based and not crazy colors or gimmicks. Accessories would be included, just not as many as in the single packs (snap on energy effects, Silkie, etc).

As new characters appear I'd put them in the appropriate wave depending on popularity and if they would be accessory based (Speedy w/ arrow arsenal) or figure based (Aqualad).

I'd prefer more articulation but it would depend on budget (as it is a licensed line). The main focus would be on sculpts (ON MODEL and TO SCALE) and keeping poses neutral without being overly pre-posed or static.

3. Higher end items:

I'd do the traditional vehicle/playset format with a Robin Cycle at say $9-12 up to a Titans Tower big playset for $30-40. Focus on vehicles used in the show, include a figure when possible. Make these the items folks will buy as gifts once the kiddies buy into the line w/ the lower price stuff.

And that would be the basic format. Other sub lines (Bobble Heads, minis, SD figures, plush) are fine but they must be their OWN assortments with their own SKNs. No bobble heads sharing cases w/ action figures.

Conclusion:

I like the Titans toys fine, but it seems to me that is suffers from almost all the major problems that a licensed toy line often faces: Lack of understanding of the property's strength, weak focus, and reliance on the TV show to sell the toys without making the toys as good as they can be on their own.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:45 am 
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MICRONAUTS

Yes, blasphemer though I may be... I never LOVED the old micronauts line...MY micronauts were of the MARVEL COMICS variety...

I want them comic-accurate...they DON'T have to be interchangeable parts from my perspective... But here's whoI always wanted as a kid...

Commander Arcturus Rann
Acroyear (with removable helmet)
Bug
Biotron
Princess Dani
Microtron
Repto
Membros
Lobros
and of course... Marvel Comics Accurate BARON KARZA!

Like Hanna Barbera/DC characters like Apache Chief and Black Vulcan, we'll probably never see these (and the recent reboots just don't do it for me...and the old rereleased looked positively PRIMITIVE!)

Here's my runner-ups...

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (could those figs look LESS like Tom Cruise/Ethan Hunt?)
ROM SPACEKNIGHT (Somebody post the nutty Rom & ME website for some good customs and disturbing artwork!)
CLASSIC BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (Okay, if you squint and wear a nylon over your head, those old 3 3/4 figs look like Adama, Baltar, and Starbuck...SORTA!)
TRON (done well these could be cool!
FLASH GORDON (ALex Raymond style!)
DICK TRACY (Chester Gould style!)
PREDATOR (where's Arnold Shwarzenegger as Dutch and Danny Glover?)
INDIANA JONES (any scale,with dead-on sculpts!)
PHANTOM(What's with the Charlie Brown heads! Yikes!)
SHADOW (Less Lamont Sanford, More Lamont Cranston!)
ROBOCOP (Dead or alive, this line could have been better!)
LOONEY TUNES (Donde esta mi Speedy Gonzales? Classic, not these modern-day reboots!)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:37 am 
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4 words...

MOTU...

Well not 4 words here cause its like abbreviated... ahem... well... if you expand MOTU... K... you get the idea.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:16 am 
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Batman Begins leaps to mind, only because since seeing the movie I keep picking up the figures that are out, looking at them, notice the lack of articulation, their frustrating scale, and put them down again despite the nice sculpts. Then I go buy a Star Wars figure I already own to use for customs, and more Fantastic Four figures.

If I redid Batman Begins, I'd keep the same sculptors, and increase the scale to 6", increase the articulation to a standard of 14 POA for basic figures, and super-articulated variants of the major characters with 18 POA.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:28 am 
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Cubanzod wrote:


ROM SPACEKNIGHT (Somebody post the nutty Rom & ME website for some good customs and disturbing artwork!)


Remember... you asked for it:

http://www.romandme.org/


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:25 pm 
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Wow. I'm speechless. And a little creeped out.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:34 pm 
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THE HELL?




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dude needs MASSIVE therapy. ASAFP!
and I think 'she' = 'mom'!
'creeped out' doesn't even BEGIN to cover...that.
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 Post subject: redo toy lines
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:17 pm 
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Thundercats ( 4 3/4 scale and posable )
Masters of the universe ( need to have more articulation )
JLU animated female figures ( they cant sit down )
Voltron ( line being redone )
Mighty orbots figure made, never released )
Star Wars ( lines from '96 on up ) need to be better made and posable

well since hasbro owns the big 3 in properties S/W, GI Joe, Transformers, you'd think they would have thought of making their toys with posability in mind ( star wars ) the current posability in SW is lacking thus far sorry to say


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 Post subject: Re: redo toy lines
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:25 pm 
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Webslinger wrote:
well since hasbro owns the big 3 in properties S/W, GI Joe, Transformers, you'd think they would have thought of making their toys with posability in mind ( star wars ) the current posability in SW is lacking thus far sorry to say


Actually, the poseability in SW is better than ever.

The super Poseable Clone, ROTS Kit Fisto and VOTC figures have just about every point of articulation you could want other than ball jointed hips.

And across the board ROTS has had more articulation on average than any SW line thus far.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:27 pm 
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Yeah excepting certain figures(Commander Bacara, Tarkin) the ROTS line has pretty spectacular articulation for it's scale and price. Count Dooku and Kit Fisto are just amazing. Hope it extends past ROTS and into the Unified line.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:03 pm 
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I'd redo the Bandai Teen Titans line to be in-scale with the JLU line. It kills me that animated Batman and animated Deathstroke aren't able to stand eye-to-eyes.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:25 am 
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1. Super Powers

a) Darkseid
Make him close enough in size that he fit on the same size card and could ship in a standard assortment of the line.

b) skip Darkseid's minons
Kalibak, Desaad, Mantis, Parademon, Steppenwolf

c) replace them with Legion of Doom members
Bizarro, Captain Cold, Sinestro, Black Manta, Cheetah, Toyman

d) skip all characters who were never on the show
Tyr, Cyclotron, Golden Pharoh, etc

e) include all heroes from the show
Black Vulcan, El Dorado, Apache Chief, Zan, Jayna, Rima
Gleek & Wonder Dog in one package.

f) Continue the trend to include members of the JLofA and JLI
Elongated Man, Atom, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold

g) ship Superman, Batman, & Robin in every assortment
subsequent lines have convinced me this is necessary.

2. Batman Beyond.

a) include a range of villains who appeared more than once on the show
Inque, Spellbinder, Shriek

b) Accurate version
Include a show accurate coloration of Batman Beyond in each assortment.

c) Other heroes
I think some of the other heroes shown on the show would sell.
particularly, Superman and Warhawk.

3. Static Shock

a) Someone needs to pick up this license and make us a line.

Asst 1
Static - season 1 & 2 uniform
Virgil to Static
Light up Static
Rubberband man
Hot Streak, Ebon, Talon, Shiv

Asst 2
Static - season 3 & 4 uniform
Magnetic Static
Gear
Ritchie to Gear
She-Bang

b) similar scale as Hasbro's BTAS, STAS, Batman Beyond, and Mattel JLU lines.
Making this and not making it compatible with those who guest star on the shoow would be ludicrus.

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