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 Post subject: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:32 pm 
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This is all just a long rant, so feel free to ignore.

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My role in CantinaDan's Super Powers to DCUC Evolution Blog was pretty much just me boxing up all the figs and taking them to his place so he could photograph them and do all the work (I suppose I answered a few questions he had as well, and sometimes I would hand the figures to him :D ).

He and I had been discussing doing that series of photos for a long time--he had done an evolution shot of Hawkman in one of his previous evolution blogs (first one, second one), and I think we talked about it at least that far back. We just had to wait for the DCUC figs to come out (I think we were assuming they would do all of them, if we didn't know that already), and I was collecting both lines (I have been with DCUC since the start, and I had been, slowly but surely, putting together a loose SP collection). As we got closer to all of the DCUC versions being announced/released, I started going over my loose SP collection and finishing it up, while also doing some upgrades. I hadn't even noticed before that some of my figs weren't complete, and I wanted them to be in good shape for all the evolution shots (and cause I want a nice loose set of course).

Anyway, that brings me to my tale of woe. In this process of double checking all my SP figs, I figured out that the Mr. Freeze I had received in a trade with a fellow AFIer, was not in fact the Super Powers Mr. Freeze. It was the knockoff from the DC Super Heroes by ToyBiz. Ugh. When I figured this out the trade had happened about a year prior, and since it took me that long to notice I just decided it was my bad, and I also decided to just assume it was an honest mistake by my trading partner. I'm still inclined to think that.

So at that point, I didn't have a real SP Mr. Freeze at all, and I was going to need one soon. Not long after figuring this out I had the opportunity to buy a complete loose SP Mr. Freeze from a different AFIer for a good price. Great, sold. Fast forward a few months. CantinaDan does the blog, pics look great to me, and then I see a comment on the blog saying that the helmet on the Freeze is from the ToyBiz knockoff. I wondered if maybe I switched the helmets by mistake. I grabbed both figs, looked online at pics of the SP Freeze, and guess what, the replacement Freeze I bought, the one that I thought was a nice complete loose SP version, did have the ToyBiz helmet. So I still don't have an actual loose complete Mr. Freeze, the evolution shot is wrong-ish (blarg) and two different AFIers have screwed me (intentionally or not). On the one hand, these were probably honest mistakes. On the other hand, I was pretty confident that the sellers, especially one of them, knew what they were doing.

And that concludes my tale of woe. I'm still on the hunt for a loose complete SP Mr. Freeze, or a stray helmet from the SP version. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:58 pm 
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Brutal. That Freeze error seems to be very common, as I find wrong figures on eBay often when looking at auctions.

Why am I looking? I still don't have a loose SP Freeze either. Sigh.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:48 pm 
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Sorry to hear about all your Freeze problems!

Just in case anyone is reading this and wondering if they got hosed as well....

The Super Powers Mr. Freeze has a purple helmet, while the toy biz knock off features a clear helmet and metal pins in the sides of the legs at the knees.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:04 pm 
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krohlf24 wrote:
Just in case anyonr is reading this and wondering if they got hosed as well

Ha! Yeah, I guess I could have actually explained the difference, huh? I was too busy complaining to be useful. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:40 pm 
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Sorry to hear that it happened to you more than once. That's just terrible.

Freeze is also one of the SP figures I'm still missing. This post makes me cautious about getting one online now.

Hope you find a "real" one at a good price soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:52 am 
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Just to add my own 2 cents in...

the first time I ordered a SP Mr. Freeze on eBay, I got the Toy Biz figure with the SP Purple helmet. Confused the hell out of me.

Did some web searching, went back to the seller (who was no help and offended that I would question him), and compared mine to pics from SP "major players" like Chip.

Eventually, I just went back and found another SP Freeze on Ebay. VERY CAREFULLY I checked all the images, sent a quick question or two to the seller, and was confident that I had finally found a SP Freeze.

When it arrived, I did indeed have a SP Freeze,... with a clear helmet.

So, I just swapped out the 2 helmets and I now have a SP Freeze and a Toy Biz Freeze back in their "original" forms.

Cost me about $50 all told for both of them, but I've got it in the display now and can't wait to fill the Cyborg shaped hole so I can be "complete".

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:13 am 
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xrmc20 wrote:
Ha! Yeah, I guess I could have actually explained the difference, huh? I was too busy complaining to be useful. :D


Well, maybe once we ("we" meaning "you") get a proper Mr Freeze maybe we can do a very clear blog with nice pics explaining the difference. Almost like a public service announcement!

Anyways, it sucks that you got shafted twice on this figure. Especially by those who should've known better. Bah.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:23 am 
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Cantina-Dan wrote:
xrmc20 wrote:
Ha! Yeah, I guess I could have actually explained the difference, huh? I was too busy complaining to be useful. :D


Well, maybe once we ("we" meaning "you") get a proper Mr Freeze maybe we can do a very clear blog with nice pics explaining the difference. Almost like a public service announcement!


I was actually planning to do something like this anyway as part of my look at the Toy Biz DC Superheroes line for the Super Powers blog. I'll be doing it with all of the figures in that line.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:59 am 
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Thanks for all the SP Freeze commiserating. Sucks to hear that others are in the same spot (and that we might be bidding against each other if a cheap one pops up on ebay :D ).


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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:43 pm 
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Or you could just view this:

http://cooltoyreview.com/photo.asp?imag ... rs-238.jpg
http://cooltoyreview.com/photo.asp?imag ... rs-239.jpg

Also note that the Toybiz version is missing the purple "shoestrings" on his legs and has a slightly different paintjob (mostly on his backside), as well as being sculpted in a slightly smaller scale.

Cooltoyreview has a good gallery of all the Toybiz figures with comparison photos for the Super Powers counterparts. I never realized how pathetic some of them look next to the Super Powers versions, especially Wonder Woman, GL, and Aquaman.

http://cooltoyreview.com/TB_DCSH.asp


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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
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And the Toybiz is bow-legged :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:47 am 
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.. and doesn't have the action feature ...

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:59 am 
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Also doesn't the TB one's head turn blue when you get it cold? Or am I miss-remembering that?


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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
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His arms and legs change color when cold, but not his head.

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 Post subject: Re: Super Powers Mr. Freeze - A tale of woe
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:09 pm 
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shabbyblue wrote:
Or you could just view this:

http://cooltoyreview.com/photo.asp?imag ... rs-238.jpg
http://cooltoyreview.com/photo.asp?imag ... rs-239.jpg

Also note that the Toybiz version is missing the purple "shoestrings" on his legs and has a slightly different paintjob (mostly on his backside), as well as being sculpted in a slightly smaller scale.


Take note that the SP one in these photos has significant color shifting going on in the plastic. The legs should be white, not yellow, and the blues on the torso should match the legs better.

As time goes on, SP are really starting to take a beating in how the chemical migrate out of the plastic. I bet in 10 years there will be very few "perfect" examples left.

Great blog, guys! I've based nearly all my displays in my toy room around Dan's "evolutions" concept (and I'm still wanting to see a nice big coffee table book with his gorgeous pics!)

J.


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