SO.......


Whattaya think of DC's Identity Crisis hype/storyline/saga.........?

Gotta say......I dig it........I know we've discussed this before in threads but since it's an ongoing thing I thought i'd beat a not yet dead horse....The "Sacrifice" storyline was great and the mystery's gettin deeper than Tim Leary on magic mushrooms........

Your turn.....

It's been a great read so far.

What I think will ultimately happen as a result of all this:

1) Princess Diana will die and Donna Troy will become the new Wonder Woman.

2) Nightwing, Donna and Supergirl will replace Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman in the Justice League.

3) Ted Kord will be the host for the Spectre.

Mike
(I'm probably wrong about all that, though.)

Wow.....Good guesses......That would make sense.....I'm kinda ashamed I didn't think of the Ted Kord/Spectre tie in myself....I was wondering who would bond with the Spectre.....I look foreward to a couple years from now when I can read the entire thing from start to finish........

I'm loving the Countdown stuff. However what I think will happen is:

1.) Wonder Woman will die and Donna Troy will replace her. The copyright on WW will be maintained via Allstar Wonder Woman(someone hire Frank Cho to draw this).

2.) Bruce Wayne will go nuts and get sent to Arkham Asylum after Alfred dies.

3.) Lex Luthor will die and become the new Spectre.

4.) Oracle regains her ability to walk and becomes Batwoman and takes over for Bruce.

5.) Power Girl will die.

6.) Lois Lane will be killed and Superman will disappear.

7.) Everything that's happened will be reset back to normal with 5 years, except Ted Kord's death.

I've heard that Adam Hughes will be doing the chores on All-Star Wonder Woman...

Sorry, gotta disagree.

I hate the new DC (DiDio Comics). If you like them, well, fine, but not me.

I've been reading DC since 1978. I like all the secondary characters I've invested the time to get to know.

There has been no point to any of the deaths over the past few years. Donna Troy and Lilith died in a stupid battle. I know Donna's back but the way she died and came back were just aweful.

I've been a fan of Blue Beetle since before he first joined the JL in 1987. For a decade he was central to the team. He, not Martian Manhunter. Beetle was part of the core along with Booster, Fire, and Ice. There was no reason for him to die in Countdown.

Sue Dibny was a regular cast member of the JLE, right along with Maxwell Lord IV in the JLI/A. Both were great characters.

Captain Atom is being sent out of the main DC Universe. And now Rocket Red is dead as well. Chances are Fire will be next.

If you are a fan of the JLI like me, this is the worst stuff you could ever read.

They just don't get it. The DCU is a giant shared sandbox. There is plenty of room for all the characters. Just leave off to the side the ones you don't want to use. That way they are available for the next writer.

Look at the JSA. DC tried to write them off twice. First they were sent to fight in Ragnarok, never to come back. Then they were decimated in Zero Hour. Hal Jordan & Oliver Queen were 'too old'. Two mistakes here. 1 -aging them, 2-killing them.

The only conclusion is that DiDio & Crew hate the JLI, or hate what the DCU has been for that era. Everything is going back. We have Ollie back. His resurrection was too far fetched. Hal's was better.

These stories are NOT great. they are like watching a trainwreck. You know what is going to happen is going to be bad, but you can't turn away because you have to know the result.

Or maybe DiDio is just a hack, stealing ideas from Marvel where he used to work. OMACs = Sentinels. OMAC story = Mutant Massacre.

That "twist" has really hurt my enjoyment of some of the back issues. it's just weird know knowing were all this crap lead to. Knowing what Max turned into it's hard to read what he used to be. I don't mind changing a character and makeing him grow, but i hate the retrofit move.





Most of the ideas presented here would sorley disapoint me. the only one that intrigues me even in the slightest is the Spectre Luthor idea. Granted, not in the main universe, an Elseworlds book would kick some ass.

He can handle doing a monthly? That'd be news.

He did a monthly. years ago. Maybe you've heard of it. It was called Justice League America. Back when Batman (& then Martian Manhunter) lead a team of secondary characters because DC editorial said Supes, Wondy, & Flash were off limits. Hughes stepped in when McGuire left. I think Hughes designed Fire & Ice's new outfits at the time.

If I recall correctly Hughes 'monthly' run on JLA lasted about 3 months.

Yeah that's hardly a record of consistency. I really doubt the guy can keep up with the schedule.

I agree completely with you, superfriend, on the unsavory way the current "management" is taking the DC Universe.

I've been a fan of Ted - Blue Beetle - Kord from his first appearance in Charelton. Ditko made him into a fantastic character. What was done to him was a shameful waste. Same with Sue. Terrible.

But, at 53, I've been reading comics for a long time and I assure you - this too will pass.

As much as we hate the lawyers and contracts (no Blue Beetle, Captain Atom or Captain Marvel JL figures), these same creatures will make sure that DC keeps the characters around. When DC fooled around and Marvel was able to get the title to Captain Marvel (space man from Kree) it was a wake up call. Since then even when a character dies they are brought back so the competition can lay claim to the title. Hence, the return of Supergirl, Batgirl, Robin, you name them....

We WILL see a Blue Beetle again. Maybe not Ted, but BB will be back (my guess is that the character will have the scarab and super powers again). No matter how "dramatic" and "earth shattering" the "event of the year/decade/century" is, the bottom line is that DC will not give up a character that can make them $$$$.

Keep the faith...

To be fair, Hughes was on the book about a year and a half, but still, with his track record I'm surprised he'd even attempt to do a monthly book. More than likely it's just the covers...

I'm with superfriend and Glen2000.

It seems to be selling, so bully for DiDio, but it's pretty much everything I don't like in comics (shock value deaths, massive cross overs, the "must read it ALL" mentality).

Shock value deaths get you a bump in readership, but killing off certain characters for shock puts them out of circulation for writers that might have good stories to tell. Though thankfully we have Elseworlds (hell, we got good Hal stories like "The Nail" even though he was "dead.")

And my main gripe with this "tight continuity" is that it's a sales point ("Buy more books or you won't get the WHOLE story") and that it inevitably leads to editorially driven stories, with writers fettered by making stories "fit" and often basically writing filler in-between hitting editorially mandated plot points.

But all this is really only the current regime's take on DC.

My feeling though, is that the DC heroes are no longer just DC's properties. They're much like Robin Hood, Tarzan, Frankenstein; a mythos so big at this point that they are larger than the current folks in charge of telling the tales.

So I basically read some stories, enjoy em, and ignore that which doesn't really please me.

For me, stuff like Identity Crisis is in the category of "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves;" just one take on those characters, love it or loathe it. (by my choice of analogy, you can guess which I feel )

There's not much I can stomach in the DC DiDioverse, but Green Lantern has been a dynamite read since Rebirth, New Frontier was stellar and JSA is still solid despite being embroiled in the current Crisis hoopla. (I'm torn by the fact that one of my favorite writers, Geoff Johns, is a major player in the current deconstruction of DC.)

Ultimately however, the Didoverse will pass. The "realistic" and "edgy" and "PARANOIAHATEDEATHDEATHDEATH" trend will go the way of the chromium cover...eventually. For now it's selling and anything that sells comics is sort of keeping the Comics industry afloat. (Though I fear the 52* weekly may break one too many wallets...)

Good stories last, crappy ones go to the quarter bin! Only history will tell...

SpyMagician

in a DC direct thread , someone asked for a "body count" so far. Spoilers follow if you have NOT read the minis. Note that it hurts me to type this.

Graduation Day
- Donna Troy/Troia
- Omen/Lilith

Identity Crisis
- Sue Dibny, wife of Elongated Man, supporting cast of JLI-European branch
- Firestorm Ronnie Raymond

Countdown
- Blue Beetle

OMAC Project
- Overthrow (minor Blue Beetle villain)
- Maxwell Lord
- most of the Checkmate agents
- Rocket Red/Dimitri

Rann Thanagar War
- The plannet Thanagar is too close to its sun
- They are at war
- lots of generic death

(Not reading Villains United or Day of Vengeance)

To be fair, there is a plus side:

Return of Donna Troy
- Donna is back

GL:Rebirth
- Hal Jordan is back as Green Lantern
- Guy is a GL again, Vuldarian DNA is in remission

Birds of Prey
- Oracle/Barbra Gordon/former Batgirl, shot and crippled by the Joker, can now move her toes.

JSA Classified
- We may finally have an origin for Power Girl.

And we got Green Arrow/Oliver Queen back a short while ago too.