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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:45 am 
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i missed lobo because of work.

The fact that those who have a typical job where they work during the day have zero hope of getting Matty product as part of the Matty sales plan continues to baffle me.

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:28 am 
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Glad I got Lobo but not happy that now Mattel knows it can get away with charging $20 + shipping for an oversized figure. This is not a good thing it's BS they are charging the same amount for a JLU figure as a MOTUC or GB figure.


I have no problem with the price point. I feel sorry for any collectors on a budget, but 20 bucks for an oversize exclusive figure like Grundy, Lobe, etc, is not out of reason.


How is $20 price point fair? Doomsday 6 packs were $19.99 a few years ago and came with 5 other figures. They get away with that price because collectors are so starved for figures I bet he would have sold out at $30.

I'm certainly not on a budget but it certainly avoids an arguement with my wife when I don't spend much on toys. My wife doesn't see collectibles, see sees toys. One of the reasons I have started buying lots on Ebay and selling what I do not need and buying multiples of MOTUC. I've never bought multiples of JLU but I certainly started yesterday @ $20 a pop + shipping to recoup my costs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:10 am 
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You can't compare Lobo to the Doomsday pack. The Doomsday pack was made in much much larger numbers and that came out a few years ago so inflation has to be considered also. Plus they actually used him again which further brought down their costs for making him. I wish people would get over the price raises already. Do they suck? Yes. Has the price of everything in the world gone up? Yes. So let's stop complaining about it already because it's not going to go back down.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:47 am 
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You can't compare Lobo to the Doomsday pack. The Doomsday pack was made in much much larger numbers and that came out a few years ago so inflation has to be considered also. Plus they actually used him again which further brought down their costs for making him. I wish people would get over the price raises already. Do they suck? Yes. Has the price of everything in the world gone up? Yes. So let's stop complaining about it already because it's not going to go back down.



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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:49 am 
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One, don't tell me what to complain about.

Two, sure I can compare it to the Doomsday pack. I can compare it to a Ben 10 figure if I wanted to.

I can also compare it to a MOTUC or GB figure who are 1) larger 2) have more articulation AND 3) have accessories so exactly why is it $20 again? I'll tell you why, because fans are so crazed for some of the items they will pay whatever the cost. Honestly I am surprised Mattel hasn't raised the prices of MOTUC to $30 for regular sized figures. I find it funny that of all the toy lines JLU is the only like that has increased in price like this.

So you know exactly how many Doomsday packs were made to the number of Lobo packs? I love it when people make wild assumptions so please give me some numbers to back that statement. Funny thing is they probably sold the Doomsday pack for $10 each and the Target upped the price to $19.99.

Inflation?? LOL The cost of Petroleum has gone DOWN so their cost should as well as most plastics are made from petro. Prices have everything has gone up? I think a few people selling their homes would disagree with that statement.

I have no problem with Mattel wanting to make $$. That is their business but to drink the kool-aid and really think that $20 is fair for Lobo when compared to other figures you pay $20 for is just idiocy.

It's cool cause I have no problems putting extras out on Ebay to pay for mine. Not exactly the "in" thing to do but I really do not care. I'm just saying $20 is ridiculous and that is easily proven compared to other figures costing $20 and what they have charged for JLU in the past.

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:59 am 
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Dammit, I missed Lobo due to being in meetings all day. I'm hoping some good soul can hook me up with one.

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:26 am 
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Comparing him to MOTUC isn't fair either. Obviously I don't have numbers to back that up but I think it's a safe assumption that Lobo was made in much smaller quantities than any MOTUC figures. He was certainly made less than a figure that went to Target like Doomsday. If you don't like the price then don't buy him...pretty simple.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:31 am 
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j1h15233 wrote:
You can't compare Lobo to the Doomsday pack. The Doomsday pack was made in much much larger numbers and that came out a few years ago so inflation has to be considered also. Plus they actually used him again which further brought down their costs for making him. I wish people would get over the price raises already. Do they suck? Yes. Has the price of everything in the world gone up? Yes. So let's stop complaining about it already because it's not going to go back down.


Forget the Doomsday pack. The ten-inch line was ten bucks or a little more when it was out, depending on where you bought it. Placing Doomsday, Grodd, or any other large figure next to my ten-inch Hawkgirl, and I say there's some serious price gouging going on. Increases in petroleum costs and smaller production runs don't explain it.

I'll have no problem paying $20 for large figures, but Mattel definitely is trying to increase their profit margin.

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:35 am 
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ian5555 wrote:
I have no problem with Mattel wanting to make $$. That is their business but to drink the kool-aid and really think that $20 is fair for Lobo when compared to other figures you pay $20 for is just idiocy.

It's cool cause I have no problems putting extras out on Ebay to pay for mine. Not exactly the "in" thing to do but I really do not care. I'm just saying $20 is ridiculous and that is easily proven compared to other figures costing $20 and what they have charged for JLU in the past.


You realize your motives are the same as Mattel's, right? You are selling a product at a price the market will bear to recoup your costs. Mattel is doing the same thing.

It's not idiocy, it's capitalism.

I'm not condemning your right to resell your figures. We live in a free-market economy, and you have every right to make money off of your efforts.

Just don't call the kettle black.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:45 am 
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I wouldnt have bought Lobo for $30...$20 for an oversized web exclusive figure is not tragic, its the shipping that puts it over the top.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
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j1h15233 wrote:
You can't compare Lobo to the Doomsday pack. The Doomsday pack was made in much much larger numbers and that came out a few years ago so inflation has to be considered also. Plus they actually used him again which further brought down their costs for making him. I wish people would get over the price raises already. Do they suck? Yes. Has the price of everything in the world gone up? Yes. So let's stop complaining about it already because it's not going to go back down.


Forget the Doomsday pack. The ten-inch line was ten bucks or a little more when it was out, depending on where you bought it. Placing Doomsday, Grodd, or any other large figure next to my ten-inch Hawkgirl, and I say there's some serious price gouging going on. Increases in petroleum costs and smaller production runs don't explain it.

I'll have no problem paying $20 for large figures, but Mattel definitely is trying to increase their profit margin.


You're still comparing an online exclusive to a retail item. It's not even close to the same production numbers and again those were released years ago. Toy prices have gone up. Those same 10 in. figures would probably be 20 or 30 bucks if they were released today and that's still with retail production numbers.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
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I wouldnt have bought Lobo for $30...$20 for an oversized web exclusive figure is not tragic, its the shipping that puts it over the top.


True story. It's no different than the time and gas cost to go pick him up at Target though.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:55 am 
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Please don't overlook the production runs. It's a huge factor I don't think some of you are fully taking into account. MOTUC is a proven seller. They've continually upped the quantity, and they STILL sell out first day. The last JLU products sat. And sat. And sat. Until they marked them down during the holidays. The facts are that even the lowest tier MOTUC characters sell out, probably in numbers FAR above those for JLU. Character selection becomes much less of an issue when EVERY MOTUC figure sells out. Heck, most of the reissues sell out in a couple of days!

Economics 101 teaches us that the more of a product that gets produced, the lower the costs are. Doomsday was made in huge quantities to supply product to every Target in the country. But the other 5 figures? Filler. Reissues of 5 previously made figures. VERY minimal added cost there. You paid $20 for Doomsday folks. Same with Grodd, only bonus there was the Red Hood helmet, but again, minimal added cost. You paid $20 for Grodd, in some cases $25.

MOTUC can be issued with more articulation and more accessories at $20 because they're probably comfortable making 50,000-75,000 at MINIMUM of them knowing they'll sell. I'm sure that number is way under the actual runs. I'd GUESS, and this is just a guess mind you, that being very generous, they made 10000 Lobos. We'll go with that for sake of the argument. Given that, I'm genuinely shocked he wasn't more.

Did they underestimate Lobo's popularity? Most likely. But to accuse them of price gouging, when we paid the same price today for an oversized figure that we paid for one four years ago is insulting. $20 for an oversized figure, with all new sculpts, isn't ridiculous. Not in my opinion, especially considering everything else.

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:56 am 
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I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about Lobo being an exclusive figure. Exclusives have always costed more.
*there are less of them made
*while it's fair to compare it to retail in your mind to justify or not justify your purchase, the rest of the collecting world understands that an exclusive is just going to cost more period
*if you prefer the quality of MOTU so much more, collect that line
*having less articulation changes NOTHING about the cost of the mold, design, paint, packaging, etc.
*While I'm not Matty's biggest fan on alot of things, I certainly understand that without a substantial profit, why bother?
*We are not entitled to exclusive figures for retail prices and free shipping

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 Post subject: Re: The Lobo sellout countdown thread! Any guesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:00 am 
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jzachery wrote:
I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about Lobo being an exclusive figure. Exclusives have always costed more.
*there are less of them made
*while it's fair to compare it to retail in your mind to justify or not justify your purchase, the rest of the collecting world understands that an exclusive is just going to cost more period
*if you prefer the quality of MOTU so much more, collect that line
*having less articulation changes NOTHING about the cost of the mold, design, paint, packaging, etc.
*While I'm not Matty's biggest fan on alot of things, I certainly understand that without a substantial profit, why bother?
*We are not entitled to exclusive figures for retail prices and free shipping

It's ironic that these price hikes are complained about by one of the board's most notorious scalpers. What is this, socialism? :lol:

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