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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:54 am 
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I would say No. The cartoon did not have a very big children following it seemed and that usually translates into collectors later on. There are also alot more people who "invest" and collect action figures unlike the golden years of the 80's. You'd most likely find alot of JLU on the card pretty easily except a few of your rare ones.

Look at the 1995 Star Wars POTF collection. Tons of people bought them and now they are everywhere and not even worth retail in most cases.

Legends of the League and Secret Society along with some exclusives might hold their value but that is probably it imo.

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:56 am 
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I don't think comics will die and I doubt the printed comic will die in 20 years. I'm 33 and I firmly believe I'll be dead before the end of printed comics. However I do feel that in this time companies will dwindle, it'll be more like the early 80's, less Independents and Marvel and DC will really streamline their printed titles.

Unless the digital medium catches on and I really don't think it has... yet.

Shellhead is right, they will one day die... we however won't live to see it.

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:08 am 
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Let me clarify, when I say comics, I mean the printed form.

I fully believe they will go the way of the record. The most diehard of us will still be able to purchase them, but they'll be less than 1% of where they are now and will probably cost a lot of money.

Circulation is plummeting. Take a look at those statements they have to print annually. I was looking at some 1980's issues of Iron Man and the circulation was about 120K. This was about 1983 and Iron Man had no where near the popularity he has today.
After two movies, one animated series (two if you count Avengers), multiple video game appearances, and a massive amount of merchandise, Iron Man's popularity is higher than its ever been.

Most recent circulation of the Iron Man comic book: 36K.

Huge popularity boost, selling less than a 3rd of what it used to.

The writing is on the wall. IMO 20 years might be optimistic. :(

Sure, he'll be on digital somewhere, but it won't be the same.

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:22 am 
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In 20 years, Superman will be a year shy of entering the public domain (with Captain America soon to follow.) Which means that anyone could make Comics, Movies, Video Games and even Action Figures based on the popular Shuster/Siegel creation.

Won't that be fun.

Superman as an Avenger and Captain America in the Justice League.

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:33 am 
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If DC keeps re-upping the copyright on the property does it still enter public domain?

Don't mean to sound ignorant but I thought that was only for properties that weren't in perpetual renewal-ship

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:04 pm 
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Yes, because it wasn't work for hire. It was an original creation that was sold to DC Comics. Plus, I believe the Siegel Family is expected to get their Superman ownership back in 2013.

You can read all about it... HERE and HERE.

http://www.slashfilm.com/warner-bros-ha ... n-in-2013/
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269?refCatId=13

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:57 pm 
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ed case wrote:
The 1st wave of Batman animated figures is about 20 years old. Try finding a Combat Belt Batman for a decent price today. .


Mine only went for 35.00 -- when I sold it on ebay 4 months ago-- compare that to what the first wave of SW figures (or He man or GI Joe or Transformers)--was sellling for 20 years later-- no comparison what so ever==

Roughly 7x as much vs. 50 x or more versus original retail price-- (and 20x or more vs the Batman release price)-- too many people have kept these things carded in comparison to the 70's and 80s)--
You can go into almost any Toy show and walk out with a complete set of carded POTF2 figures for probably less than the price of 1 of those figures listed above...

and meanwhile the Carded Supergirl - from the STAS line-- which used to be a "hot figure"(like Wind Blitz Batgirl)- used to command well over 50.00 at toy shows when first releases -- I havent yet be able to unload it on ebay for 5.00..

THere is no comparison-- Modern toys just wont carry the same value

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:35 pm 
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In twenty years I expect the capes and rubber parts of my JLU's to be disintegrating, :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:19 pm 
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and meanwhile the Carded Supergirl - from the STAS line-- which used to be a "hot figure"(like Wind Blitz Batgirl)- used to command well over 50.00 at toy shows when first releases -- I havent yet be able to unload it on ebay for 5.00..



I think that may have something to do with JLU. Before the JLU release of Supergirl, people merged lines alot more. Using the best Batgirl and Supergirl they could find to fit into their collections. As soon as the official JLU's were released, the others plummeted.

Look at BTAS Ventriloquist. He's still ridiculously priced. Rhas Al Ghul, with the green cloak. Alfred....

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:34 pm 
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Shellhead wrote:

But in 20 years, comics will be dead, so I don't think most super hero action figures will anything but landfill.


I'm not sure there is even enough landfill space left now to accommodate all the extra JLU Supermen, Batmen, and John Stewarts.


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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
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Ricky's correct but it'll never happen. Both Warner and Disney have the money to keep that from happening. You can say no but watch...
The Siegel family was just a really good exception which went the distance and if you've been following this they didn't just wake up one day and decide to go to court, this took time and money.

Bob Kane's widow tried this and failed... and the same with Simon and Kirby with Captain America. Both received money out of court but the main objective failed; 'attempting to retrieve their ancestor's creations'

I more than understand copyright law but money and the corporate wheel can just about over come anything. Especially an evil tyrant like Disney. If Disney had Superman the whole Siegel thing would never have happened.

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:08 pm 
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When the Machines (Sky-net) take over the world in about what?... 5 years? All material objects aside from guns and food/water will be melted down or be used for better purposes, so they will be... obsolete ;)


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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:14 pm 
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red Ricky wrote:
In 20 years, Superman will be a year shy of entering the public domain (with Captain America soon to follow.) Which means that anyone could make Comics, Movies, Video Games and even Action Figures based on the popular Shuster/Siegel creation.

Won't that be fun.

Superman as an Avenger and Captain America in the Justice League.

I shudder to think what people will actually do with those characters. I hate to say or even think about it, but I imagine the internet and what-not will be flooded with Superman, Mickey Mouse, and all other characters that will be public domain to be in many (thousands) of porno movies/cartoons/magazines, etc etc, and made fun of or disrespected in any other way imaginable. Y'all know you were thinking the same thing, (again I hate that I was even thinking it... ugghhh-eckkk!)


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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:30 pm 
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Ricky's correct but it'll never happen. Both Warner and Disney have the money to keep that from happening. You can say no but watch...

It's kewl. You guys don't have to worry about Superman getting tainted or anything. I mean, the Siegels already own half of the Superman Copyright and nothing has changed. They are just owned money by DC. The thing is that the original Copyright was supposed to last 70 years. But then Disney, Time/Warner/DC, and a couple of other companies lobbied Congress and got 20 more years added to the equation. However, this time around, that extra 20 years were made available to authors, heirs and their ESTATES. So Joe Shuster’s estate (executed by his nephew) will get his share of the rights in 2013.

And that's why Warner is rushing to get the Man of Steel Movie out before 2013. So that they can get a bigger cut of the profits. When 2013 hits, then they'll work a new agreement and split the pie 3-ways. The thing is, DC will always own the Superman symbol, and Superman's ability to fly, and Vision Powers and the term Kryptonite; as well as all of Superman's rogues gallery.

In 2033, when Marvel decides to incorporate Superman into their line of Comics/Movies/and suff; they'll be able to use Lois Lane, the Planet Krypton and baby Kal-L. They'll also have access to Clark Kent and the Superman costume. The only thing is that he'll have to leap places (ala Hulk) and the costume will need a new S symbol (or they can use the original as depicted in Action Comics #1.) But they won't be able to use the current one (as seen in the Superman toys, comics and movies.) Oh, and he'll need new villains.

So basically, he won't be the Superman of Earths 1-Zero we know from the Chris Reeve movies; he'll be the Golden Age Superman as he appeared in Action Comics #1 and the Fleischer Cartoons. And any action figures based on that look, will not need DC's approval or a master license.

Basically he'll be like Peter Pan or Sherlock Holmes.

Currently, anyone can use Peter Pan. They just have to be original and not do what Disney did. Which is not very easy to do on account that everyone thinks of the Disney version when they hear the name Peter Pan.

But we'll get there.

As for Superheroes and Porn... well, that's already out there.

For more information, here's another set of FAQ...
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.co ... right-faq/

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 Post subject: Re: JLU - In twenty years
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:25 am 
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red Ricky wrote:

As for Superheroes and Porn... well, that's already out there.

For more information, here's another set of FAQ...
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.co ... right-faq/

I meant we will see 1000x more than all the crap that is there already, ;)

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