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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:20 am 
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I've never ready ANY Crisis book. None. Maybe if I'd hurry up and read Crisis on infinite Earths, it would change how I feel. But I've waited 20 odd years, what's the rush now? :)

To put it more accurately, the multiverse just never appealed to me for the reasons mentioned in my previous post.
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Multiverse part1.
In the mid 50's, DC introduced a new Flash, different from the Flash that had been seen in the 40s. Everything was fine until the stories started connecting the two. Barry read about Jay in comic books. yes, that was established somewhere. Then the two met. A vibrational barrier separated the two worlds. The early 60's JLA met the 40's JSA. And then they got together to fight the Crime Syndicate of Earth 3.

Crisis on Infinite Earths - simplified the whole playing field. Whn it was over, one Earth, one Universe, one History. The JSA formed before the JLA. The JSA had stopped fighting at one point to explain why comics of them were not printed in the early 50s. Things that could not fit, like the Crime Syndicate were just gone. Barry, the symbol for the Multiverse, died along with the concept. And a few characters which no longer made sense simply went away.


Actually, it was established that Barry read about Jay back in Showcase #4, his first appearance. I think it was on the very first page! :D

Pretty good explanation of the Crisis. Unfortunately, DC mucked it up almost immediately by creating new continuities for Superman and Batman that were not set up by the Crisis. Basically, the Earth-1 Superman and Batman just ceased to exist with no in-continuity explanation. That really messed up the Legion's continuity, for example, and made every story with the original Jason Todd's continuity suspect.


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So, I've been listening to the podcasts from DC at NYCC.

Final Crisis came up (not surprisingly) A LOT. Dan Didio opened one of the discussions with "who understands what happens in Final Crisis?"

The crowd was very mixed and then DC went into a PREPARED silde presentation trying to explain both FC and Bat: RIP.

Went something like this
Final Crisis #1, alternate cover shows some paintng cave drawings.
Go to Bat RIP and Last Rites. Batman has been captured by the New GOds and inserted into a mindf*ck machine. He discovers that he is being manipulated and breaks free.
Goto FC #6: Batman confronts Darkseid and shoots him with the God-Killer bullet and Darkseid hits him with the Omega Sanction
FC# 7 Darkseid dies?, We see a coffin (supposedly the Bats) and we finish with a man (NOT IN A BAT COSTUME) drawing on a cave wall casting a BAT SHADOW WHILE NOT WEARING A BAT SUIT.

so ... what happens next?

Wait til Grant returns to Batman later next year.

So... um ... that kinda helps explain things... but my question now is

was FC a book about the DCU or was it simply a Batman vehicle for Grant to finish his story? Nothing else was touched on. Nothing about Superman's magic singing to save the world. Nothing about the Multiverse army.

I appreciate that Dan and DC editorial realized that things didn't work as well as they would have liked. I appreciate that they went to the effort to clarify things. However, I kinda have the feeling that I like the story a bit less now.

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