The Titans do NOT suck. Go read Wolfman and Perez stories in The New Teen Titans starting in 1980. Some fantastic stories in there.

The new status quo states that Superman is now the very first DC superhero. Again. Seeing how the Trinity's origins have been tweaked several times over in order to keep 'em young... WHY NOT JUST DO THE SAME FOR THE FREAKIN' JSA???

Seriously, you have stand-alone characters like Hourman and Wildcat with no Earth-1 counterpart. So turn Miraclo into a modern drug and have Ted Grant be a contemporary of Manny Pacquiao. If Michael Holt is getting his own series, I don't see why Pieter Cross couldn't exist as well. They were best friends and Mid-Nite is the DCU's resident physician to the spandex crowd.

The JSA's WWII roots can't seem to last yet another reboot, so just de-age everybody already and have them fit into the DCU's newest incarnation. They don't have to be anybody's predecessors or establish legacies anymore. They could operate as competition for the League or simply work on an opposite coast like when the Avengers used to run their East and West divisions.

Heck,why not just merge the teams already. Dr. Fate and Power Girl were easily folded into the JLI. Guys like Jay Garrick worked with the team for a brief time and J'onn once recruited Hourman for the JLA Task Force just before Zero Hour.

If fans keep asking for these characters, DC will find a way to make those merchandising dollars dance their way into Warner share holders' bank accounts.

It CAN be done.

If they're going to make Superman, Batman and the others younger, then why not make the JSA be slightly older than them. I mean if Superman is 25 now, then why can't Jay Garrick be 45?

It would upset their "brilliant" plan to present Superman to new readers as El Numero Uno.

Given that the pioneering Clark Kent is now in his twenties, a forty-something Jay Garrick would have to be an awful late bloomer when it comes to his own superhero career. Maybe Jay's laboratory accident now occurs while teaching college to guys like Clark. But where would that place Barry's origin story? Before Jay's, of course.

Heck of a headache inducer, ain't it?

nah, that's easy. threatened by this new "Super Man", some bad guy goes back in time to prevent "The Super Man" from ever happening somehow, so superman has to chase the bad guy back into the past and enlist the help of some other people who get super powers both miraculously and coincidentally and they become the american society of justice or something along those lines. then superman goes forward in time, but leaves them back in the past with their friends and families, so by the time superman is back in the present, the jsa are all old farts again, just like we like 'em. easy fix. next?

Wow the animosity in here is great, why can't everyone just give these new titles a chance and actually see what is going to happen, instead of dooming and praying for doom on the new universe, me personally I hope it stays - and I am looking forward to the new universe.

I like some other people are just getting back into reading comics again will find this great, others like the old guard need to get used to it, because it is happening.

And to be honest I wish they would do this with Marvel as well, yes I can hear the groans and cries now, lol.

I'll point out that Geoff Johns is one of the "old guard", responsible for turning back the clock and bringing Hal Jordan and Barry Allen back to the DCU. GJ was also a driving force in bringing the JSA back to popularity over the past 10 years, and got them on several episodes of Smallville.

The bottom line is this. Some of us know what we want and eventually things might go in that direction. Example of a personal goal - it took over 20 years to get Black Lightning in the Justice League, but it did finally happen.

And that's fine, however why whinge and broogle at something that hasn't even appeared yet, why not see what this is going to be like then if something you want to see and would love brought back might be if you campaigned for it in the right way - but if you are all spitting out pacifiers because things are changing they are less likely to listen to you, especially if the new crowd they are hopeing to bring back or bring in for the first time are bigger than the ones that are bitching about the lack of something (Be it Character, Team or even World).

What I see is a lot of chicken littles running around foretelling the doom of the DCU, when in reality they are getting something that could be really cool and new.

A more recent example. James Robinson is writing the current JLA. Lots of people, not just I, complained that the cast was a bunch of replacements and stand ins. Wally West and Kyle Rayner made sense as the Flash and Green Lantern on the team while Barry Allen and Hal Jordan were unavailable. But filling the JLA with Titans and Infinity Inc members when the actual heroes are available makes no sense. Yet Robinson insists on having Dick Grayson, Kara Zor-El, Donna Troy, Jade, and Jesse Quick as the core of his JLA. I campaigned along with dozens of others for this League to end to the point of blogging here, posting on DC's message boards, dropping the book and encouraging others to do the same.

This new JLA is much closer to what I desire.

Ok so the Titans did not suck in the Perez years but it has fallen a lot since most of the core members are not on the team anymore. I hope DC will be able to fit the JSA in this new reboot. It just seems like it would not be the same without them. There were so many characters and it would be ashame not to include them. Maybe this is a trial period and if the reboot doesnt appeal to the younger kids then maybe by some miraculous event will put it all back like it was. Lord knows thats happened so many times.

I'm sure there will be lots of interesting information coming out of the panels at SDCC this year regarding DCnU...below are a few listings

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11:30-12:30 DC: Flashpoint
Moderator: Bob Wayne EDITOR: Eddie Berganza

Everything you know will change in a Flash! Flashpoint, the blockbuster comics event of the summer, has turned the DC Universe inside out! Join DCU Executive Editor, Eddie Berganza, and some of the amazing talent behind Flashpoint, for a panel that's sure to pose new questions about this explosive event even as it answers others! Room 6DE


2:00-3:00 DC Comics – The New 52
Moderator: Eddie Berganza

DC Comics explodes in September with 52 new number one issues and one panel is not enough to cover it! With a 'DC Comics – The New 52' panel each day, there's sure to be something for everyone! Join Bob Harras, DC's Editor-in-Chief, and DCU Executive Editor, Eddie Berganza, for an up-close look at this unprecedented wave of new series, from the first-ever re-launches of Action Comics and Batman titles to the latest thrills from comics' cutting-edge! Join Bob, Eddie and some of the industry's top writers and artists as we make history together. Room 6DE


3:00-4:00 DC Superman
Moderator: John Cunningham Editor: Matt Idelson

How does The Man of Tomorrow fit into the new DC Universe that rises in September? Find out as Group Editor Matt Idelson joins new Action Comics writer Grant Morrison (All Star Superman, Batman Incorporated) and author of the best-selling Superman: Earth One graphic novel J. Michael Straczynski (Superman, Wonder Woman) to take fans new and old up, up and away to give readers a sneak peak at what's in store for Superman. Room 6DE


4:15-5:15 DC: Justice League
Moderator: Bob Wayne Editor: Eddie Berganza

Comics' top talents – writer Geoff Johns and artist Jim Lee – team up for the first time ever to bring you the new Justice League, making its debut as part of the new DC Universe! Join Johns, Lee and DC Executive Editor Eddie Berganza as they bring together the talents behind the new JLA titles, including writers Dan Jurgens (Justice League International), JT Krul (Green Arrow), Eric Wallace (Mister Terrific), artists Francis Manapul (The Flash), Brian Buccellato (The Flash), Philip Tan (The Savage Hawkman) and more! Room 6DE


10:00-11:00 DC: Green Lantern
Moderator: John Cunningham EDITOR: Eddie Berganza

Enlist in the Corps at DC's annual Green Lantern panel! Join DCU Executive Editor Eddie Berganza, Green Lantern Corps writer Peter Tomasi, Red Lanterns artist Ed Benes and others for a look at the aftermath of "War of the Green Lanterns" and more! It's one of the most exciting panels you'll ever see! Room 6DE


12:45-1:45 DC: The Dark and The Edge
Moderator: John Cunningham EDITOR: Pat McCallum

From the shadowy corners of the new DC Universe comes a startling array of new series featuring some of comics' top creators! Join DC Editor Pat McCallum and get acquainted with new DC titles from "The Dark" and "The Edge," including Swamp Thing, written by Scott Snyder, Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E. and Animal Man, written by Jeff Lemire, Deathstroke, written by Kyle Higgins, Demon Knights and Stormwatch, written by Paul Cornell, I, Vampire written by Josh Fialkov, Suicide Squad written by Adam Glass, Swamp Thing, drawn by Francesco Francavilla, All Star Western by Jimmy Palmiotti, Justin Gray and Moritat, and more! Room 6DE


4:30-5:30 DC Focus: Jim Lee
Moderator: Bob Wayne EDITOR: Dan DiDio

Jim Lee is by far the most in-demand artist in comics, from his spectacular work on Batman, Superman, WildC.A.T.S. and so many other comics to his groundbreaking designs for the DC Universe MMO game. Now, as Co-Publisher of DC Comics, Jim has led the way to the start of the new DC Universe with his exciting new looks for the World's Greatest Super Heroes. Join Jim and his fellow Co-Publisher, Dan DiDio, for a profile of the artist who's setting the tone for the entire DCU! Room 6DE


1:45-2:45 Designing the New DCU
Moderator: Bob Wayne EDITOR: Jim Lee

What does it take to remake a universe? There are new stories, new characters, and especially new designs! Join DC's Co-Publisher Jim Lee, VP – Art and Design Mark Chiarello, exclusive artist Cully Hamner and others for a look as they discuss their visual approach to reshaping the DC Universe! Room 6DE

something that just occurred to me...I keep seeing this "new 52" message and it hit me - maybe every single one of these new 52 titles is taking place on a different Earth in the DCnU Multiverse.



Each book will slowly reveal the uniqueness of that Earth, along with the other characters, teams, and history. Maybe that's why some of these new books seem conflicting - they take place in the past, some are unchanged, some are totally different. This might be a cool way to explain all the various X-treme changes while keeping the current DCU intact...

I don't think I could give DC editorial that much credit.

It would be nice, but I doubt it.

And the #2 issues solicits for Oct. are starting to roll out and the Bat books in particular seem to be very connected.

I know that I will be picking up a few DC titles when the reboot takes place. Right now I'm only reading IDW's Transformers.

I'm clinging to a hope that this spirals out of FlashPoint and that down the road this temporal damage is fixed to a point, where they can then fold some of these brand new elements into the current DC Universe and appease everyone. I just hate that Action Comics is begining over... again!