NYTF - DCUC: All-Stars Thread

The Superfly · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:58 pm

Van Statten wrote:

Ah but Pandora showed Barry images of all three realities when explaining how Post-Crisis wasn't the true universe... whose to say he didn't see Kid Flash in there somewhere? Maybe he doesn't know him by name but knows of his once existence?

Possibly, but as she was showing him that sequence, his uniform was changing to the DCnU version, so Pandora was merging everything as she was explaining it. Anything is possible, and I'd like to think that Barry would remember his own nephew, but it doesn't seem like it.

I keep hoping that he'll eventually remember the old DCU and then erase the awful DCnU mistake...

Van Statten · **Joined:** Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:15 am **Posts:** 2698

The Superfly wrote:

Van Statten wrote:

Ah but Pandora showed Barry images of all three realities when explaining how Post-Crisis wasn't the true universe... whose to say he didn't see Kid Flash in there somewhere? Maybe he doesn't know him by name but knows of his once existence?

Possibly, but as she was showing him that sequence, his uniform was changing to the DCnU version, so Pandora was merging everything as she was explaining it. Anything is possible, and I'd like to think that Barry would remember his own nephew, but it doesn't seem like it.

I keep hoping that he'll eventually remember the old DCU and then erase the awful DCnU mistake...

Agreed!

funtime3 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:07 pm

Oh. I was mistaken , I thought Scott/TG said the sub would not be a place for possible versions of A-list characters. I see the Allstar line not as some great creative venture but, on paper, a way to increase their margins for this year. There's some characters that were potential DCUC21 and 22, a few repaints, rereleases, and a few figures with little tooling. Whatever, I just have to stop thinking about it so hard and just see it as some crazy hodgepodge, but it's mostly "newish" and "current".

The thing with Wally: It's dumb. Wally is my favorite. But it's DC , so who knows. No one stays dead. Jason Todd taught us this. Heck, they're bringing back Helena Wayne and Powergirl as a former Earth 2 Supergirl and Robin (presumably).

Shellhead · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:28 pm

The Superfly wrote:

I keep hoping that he'll eventually remember the old DCU and then erase the awful DCnU mistake...

With the way they're selling, I wouldn't hold my breath.

The Superfly · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:26 pm

Well, the sales are dropping quickly on many books, so I'm not sure if you were meaning to be serious or facetious...check a sampling of the three month mark on these books:

Quote:

09/2011: Action Comics #1 -- 200,947
10/2011: Action Comics #2 -- 153,855
11/2011: Action Comics #3 -- 134,875

09/2011: Flash #1 -- 147,818
10/2011: Flash #2 -- 114,137
11/2011: Flash #3 -- 90,417

09/2011: Superman #1 -- 150,128
10/2011: Superman #2 -- 104,703
11/2011: Superman #3 -- 86,386

09/2011: Aquaman #1 --108,545
10/2011: Aquaman #2 -- 83,626
11/2011: Aquaman #3 -- 69,137

09/2011: New Guardians #1 -- 96,596
10/2011: New Guardians #2 -- 71,713
11/2011: New Guardians #3 -- 59,774

09/2011: Justice League International #1 -- 78,869
10/2011: Justice League International #2 -- 66,100
11/2011: Justice League International #3 -- 54,413

09/2011: Justice League Dark #1 -- 81,955
10/2011: Justice League Dark #2 -- 63,392
11/2011: Justice League Dark #3 -- 51,674

09/2011: Birds of Prey #1 -- 66,423
10/2011: Birds of Prey #2 -- 53,156
11/2011: Birds of Prey #3 -- 40,891

09/2011: Savage Hawkman #1 -- 63,959
10/2011: Savage Hawkman #2 -- 47,763
11/2011: Savage Hawkman #3 -- 35,177

09/2011: Legion of Super Heroes #1 -- 58,325
10/2011: Legion of Super Heroes #2 -- 47,227
11/2011: Legion of Super Heroes #3 -- 34,979

09/2011: Firestorm #1 -- 62,076
10/2011: Firestorm #2 -- 43,990
11/2011: Firestorm #3 -- 31,654

09/2011: Blue Beetle #1 -- 52,288
10/2011: Blue Beetle #2 -- 39,396
11/2011: Blue Beetle #3 -- 27,612

09/2011: Captain Atom #1 -- 51,314
10/2011: Captain Atom #2 -- 38,309
11/2011: Captain Atom #3 -- 26,829

Not looking good, which sucks for everyone. It's not like DC is going back anytime soon.

What a mess.

Van Statten · **Joined:** Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:15 am **Posts:** 2698

Oh I could have told you that! #1 sales are ALWAYS high especially with the hype and press this got... I'm sure #2's won't even suffer the terrible two syndrome. As you see six titles have already been axed to be replaced by six more.

you_will_forget · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:45 pm

Give it a year or two.

Once the flashy newness wears off a bit and the marketing push has gone, writers will start incorporating some of the real DC history back in. I've seen it a few times, where writers or artists haven't remembered about important changes to a character's personality, background or costume and written them as they remember the characters.

As much as I miss Wally though, I miss Linda more. Before the twins were aged, she was awesome.

Ah well, Boring Barry is back and I suppose we'll have to get used to it for now.

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Far_Night · **Joined:** Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:22 pm **Posts:** 84

Well of course less people are buying comics since digital is the new form of entertainment. This shouldn't be a surprise. DC can't expect comics to increase in sells and I bet they don't, they are just trying to keep comics alive just like Marvel are doing. Who knows if comics will just go digital in the future or if business will go extinct over free entertainment. Who knows? Why is anyone surprised over decreased sales?

MoMoney · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:32 pm

funtime3 wrote:

Oh. I was mistaken , I thought Scott/TG said the sub would not be a place for possible versions of A-list characters.

That's what was said originally, so you're not mistaken, completely. I think the original intent was exactly that, but DC put the kibosh on it.

Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but when Scott was asked if there were any changes to be made to Platinum and Tin's paint jobs, he deferred to the Horsemen...and when he heard that these colors were approved, he quickly said that there was no change on the horizon. Makes it seem like they're just relieved to get something that not New 52 approved and don't want to push any issues.

Van Statten · **Joined:** Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:15 am **Posts:** 2698

Far_Night wrote:

Well of course less people are buying comics since digital is the new form of entertainment. This shouldn't be a surprise. DC can't expect comics to increase in sells and I bet they don't, they are just trying to keep comics alive just like Marvel are doing. Who knows if comics will just go digital in the future or if business will go extinct over free entertainment. Who knows? Why is anyone surprised over decreased sales?

I have yet to see a major impact on sales due to digital media. The decrease in these titles is the same as it would have been 10 years ago and 20 years ago during the huge comic speculation boom. This is just the classic case of Issue 1 frenzy. We... you and I will not see the death of paper comics. People like to say we will but then again 20 years ago people also said we'd have flying cars by today.

When digital pads are affordable for everyone then we should worry.

j1h15233 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:24 pm

The Superfly wrote:

Well, the sales are dropping quickly on many books, so I'm not sure if you were meaning to be serious or facetious...check a sampling of the three month mark on these books:

Quote:

09/2011: Action Comics #1 -- 200,947
10/2011: Action Comics #2 -- 153,855
11/2011: Action Comics #3 -- 134,875

09/2011: Flash #1 -- 147,818
10/2011: Flash #2 -- 114,137
11/2011: Flash #3 -- 90,417

09/2011: Superman #1 -- 150,128
10/2011: Superman #2 -- 104,703
11/2011: Superman #3 -- 86,386

09/2011: Aquaman #1 --108,545
10/2011: Aquaman #2 -- 83,626
11/2011: Aquaman #3 -- 69,137

09/2011: New Guardians #1 -- 96,596
10/2011: New Guardians #2 -- 71,713
11/2011: New Guardians #3 -- 59,774

09/2011: Justice League International #1 -- 78,869
10/2011: Justice League International #2 -- 66,100
11/2011: Justice League International #3 -- 54,413

09/2011: Justice League Dark #1 -- 81,955
10/2011: Justice League Dark #2 -- 63,392
11/2011: Justice League Dark #3 -- 51,674

09/2011: Birds of Prey #1 -- 66,423
10/2011: Birds of Prey #2 -- 53,156
11/2011: Birds of Prey #3 -- 40,891

09/2011: Savage Hawkman #1 -- 63,959
10/2011: Savage Hawkman #2 -- 47,763
11/2011: Savage Hawkman #3 -- 35,177

09/2011: Legion of Super Heroes #1 -- 58,325
10/2011: Legion of Super Heroes #2 -- 47,227
11/2011: Legion of Super Heroes #3 -- 34,979

09/2011: Firestorm #1 -- 62,076
10/2011: Firestorm #2 -- 43,990
11/2011: Firestorm #3 -- 31,654

09/2011: Blue Beetle #1 -- 52,288
10/2011: Blue Beetle #2 -- 39,396
11/2011: Blue Beetle #3 -- 27,612

09/2011: Captain Atom #1 -- 51,314
10/2011: Captain Atom #2 -- 38,309
11/2011: Captain Atom #3 -- 26,829

Not looking good, which sucks for everyone. It's not like DC is going back anytime soon.

What a mess.

How does that compare to sales before the reboot? Are they still coming out ahead with the decreased numbers there?

Van Statten · **Joined:** Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:15 am **Posts:** 2698

The decreased numbers are actually sort of flat compared to pre-reboot... Batman is still selling about the same amount, I believe Green Lantern was selling better before the reboot. All that information is available on Diamondcomics.com I don't memorize sales per numeric number just compare how they do and by what issue number. Superman sales after the initial shock of the first issues of Action and Superman don't seem to have recovered to what they were before his renouncing his American citizenship.

The Superfly · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:42 pm

j1h15233 wrote:

How does that compare to sales before the reboot? Are they still coming out ahead with the decreased numbers there?

Here's a few...

2011's GREEN ARROW#4: 33,404
2010's GREEN ARROW#4: 44,220

2011's BIRDS OF PREY#4: 31,014
2010's BIRDS OF PREY#4: 46,149

2011''s JL INTERNATIONAL#4: 39,656
2010's JL:GENERATION LOST#4: 41,702

2011's LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES#4: 25,049
2010's LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES#4: 34,239

2011's GL CORPS#4(December): 51,462
2010's GL CORPS#55(December): 54,387

2011's BATMAN AND ROBIN#4(December): 68,400
2010's BATMAN AND ROBIN#18(December): 68,814

Van Statten · **Joined:** Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:15 am **Posts:** 2698

And I'm willing to bet Batman and Robin comes out on top because they're actually able to come out on time now!

The Superfly · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:46 pm

just to keep it even, here's the other side of the coin...granted, I cannot find actual issue and date details for these...still looking...

Justice League 2011: 142,248
Justice League 2010: 48,501

Batman 2011: 133,781
Batman 2010: 63,262

Detective 2011: 89,429
Detective 2010: 37,961

Wonder Woman 2011: 65,621
Wonder Woman 2010: 34,495

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