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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:26 am 
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Amazing job? Dude, you are delusional and oblivious to what is happening here. I shouldn't be surprised as your stand for years is Mattel needs to bend over and give me what I want when I want it. It's like those kids in the college class whose teacher asked them to write a paper on what the Government can do for them and the majority of responses were give me Healthcare, a job and a house LOL...It's like these kids today don't know or maybe they don't care that someone else has to pay for that.

Here is what his amazing job he has done.

-5.5 Trillion added to the National Debt at a rate of 1.3 Trillion per year that puts us over 20 Trillion by the end of his 2nd term. Already had eclipsed what Bush added in 8 in his 3rd year.
-100 Million people on some form of welfare in which has gone up near 15 million since he took office.
-45 Million on food stamps and Medicaid alone. This isn't old people these are healthy people for the most part who can work but are becoming dependent on the Government.
-36% of immigrant households are on some sort of welfare. Apparently we have decided to just GIVE money away to anyone who wants to come here. In comparison, Native Americans (ya know our own citizens) as a group are only at 23%.
-Obamacare- He has SCREWED this up so bad for people especially the elderly. He cut Medicare so bad that it's estimated that only about 1/2 of seniors will be able to keep the coverage they have right now. In addition he has taxed the drug companies so much that costs of drugs will rise tremendously. IMO this is going to go down as one of the BIGGEST blunders of all time much like Carter/Clinton Community Reinvestment Act that caused the Housing meltdown which of course people blamed Bush for.
-Bin Laden- glad you brought that up. he didn't do CRAP for that but give them the go ahead. Then in his speech took credit for the whole thing. it was all "I did this" and "I did that".....pathetic.
-Benghazi- Had 2 of our commanders replaced after one tried to go in and help during the attack and the other for speaking out publicly of the failures of the Administration. Obama let those people die and that is a fact.

It's a growing problem that people are becoming dependent on the Government. It's been proven time and time again that it has disastrous results. The shift in mindset is appalling right now. It's what can the Government take away from others to give me. That is how people vote and a country with that mindset is doomed to fail.

The strategy for the Democrats (and liberal media) of blaming the rich and condemning success as the reason for people's failures and laziness has reaped them benefits. I guess we'll see in a few years but I for one am sick of paying near half of my pay in taxes while people in this country live off of my hard work and contribute very little to the pot. And they call ME greedy lol...

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:53 am 
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Ian, the only comment I want to make in this is something which I find a bit unfair.
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-Bin Laden- glad you brought that up. he didn't do CRAP for that but give them the go ahead. Then in his speech took credit for the whole thing. it was all "I did this" and "I did that".....pathetic.

There's nothing wrong with that. Like when you work for a company, you do a fantastic job but the boss always takes the credit in the public eye and it's up to him to share an accolade or two. It's not like we can know the identities of Seal Team Six. As Commander and Chief it was well within in his right to take credit for the actions of his men. The "I" in his speech incorporates the actions of everyone not just the men who pulled the trigger.

Everything else is a fine rebuttal. I don't want to debate but sometimes I think people get so caught up in their dislike for him that they condemn everything he does including actions which they shouldn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:59 am 
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The only problem I have with Obama taking any credit in this at all, is that when he came into office his big thing was ending the war and getting all the troops out. That "change" never happened. To me, him taking credit for that is as dumb as Bush being blamed for a terrorist attack.


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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:02 am 
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I'm still too depressed about it to argue. :cry:

It's sad to witness the decline and fall of your country.

For the record, Ron Paul was my guy. I held my nose and voted for Romney as the lesser of two evils.

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:11 am 
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Shellhead wrote:
For the record, Ron Paul was my guy.

I could have seen myself voting him...
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I held my nose and voted for Romney as the lesser of two evils.

Unless you were loaded financially I cant see why anyone would consider this guy the lesser of two evils. He wasn't out to help anyone but his own kind from the planet Kolob. He was a businessman not a politician. A little head for business may come in handy for this job but you need some tact... and some political savvy which he had none of.

Ron Paul, the Republicans should have swallowed their pride and admit he was right when he said, "The Republican party is broken" and needs to be fixed as much as this country does. The best things the Republicans can do in next four years is this:
-Work with Obama, what's it matter he's out next year anyway it becomes win/ win for them by making them look like Team Players.
-Start appealing to the minorities who helped Obama win, like the Latino vote which took Florida.
-Get Ron Paul and Chris Christie on the same ticket as Presidential and Vice Presidential nominee.
That is the recipe of success for them because right now to the world at large they look like monsters.

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:19 am 
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I figured I had a greater shot at lower taxes with him. That's about it.

When in doubt, I vote with my wallet.

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:24 am 
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1. Prove to me that 9/11 wouldn't have happened if someone else had been in office. You can't. And I didn't see Obama stopping a terrorist attack just mere weeks ago at a US Embassy. Saying something like that is one person's fault or another is just stupid. (unless you have concrete evidence that they ignore it or caused it directly by ordering it themselves)
2. This "healthcare reform" isn't a blessing or a good thing. It's one of the worst things a President has done. Wait and see. Or try being someone who works in the healthcare profession (or ends up getting taxed on the back end).
3. What's our national debt at now? You going to blame that on bush? Was he able to blame that on clinton? And Clinton on Bush? And Bush on Reagan? Can't have it both ways.
4. He failed to let companies fail, which was the wrong thing to do. If a company can't succeed, it deserves to fail. Taking money and dumping it into GM, etc...wasn't the best thing to do. I don't buy it for a minute. You don't rob Peter to pay Paul.
5. If you believe that some of the failures that Bush left were done 100% by Bush and left for Obama to clean up, you're only kidding yourself. It doesn't work tha way either.
6. Bailing out banks and not punishing them, another huge mistake.

And that's just a start.

And for the record...you won't find me hopping up GWB's tree saying he was great either. Clinton was the last President we've had that I think did somewhat of a decent job, although I wouldn't have wanted GWB's second term for anything.

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I just can't get behind what Obama is doing and has done. I think he's the worst President we've ever had.

Worse than George W. Bush? That's silly. Nothing like 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, he got Bin Laden, he passed healthcare reform, and he didn't lie us into a war that he paid on a credit card to China, etc. Yeah, he hasn't cleaned up the mess Bush left yet. But frankly, I don't think anyone could have in four years. Democrats have always said the mess Bush left the country in would take decades to clean up so I'm unsurprised that Obama didn't do it in four. He's done an amazing job so far with the hand he was dealt. I had originally expected whoever won in 2008, whether it was McCain or Obama, would be a one-term President because they'd be saddled with the blame of not cleaning up after Bush fast enough. I didn't give the country enough credit. As Chris Rock joked, "Obama didn't cure cancer fast enough! I'm voting for cancer!"

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:27 am 
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The only problem I have with Obama taking any credit in this at all, is that when he came into office his big thing was ending the war and getting all the troops out. That "change" never happened. To me, him taking credit for that is as dumb as Bush being blamed for a terrorist attack.


Also, correct me if I'm wrong...but hasn't there been widespread speculation that the Clinton Administration knew something was up?

I'm not saying blame clinton. If someone wants to crash a plane into a building bad enough they'll find a way to do it. I just think that's stupid. Do we start blaming our leads for things like Columbine too? "It happened under their watch so it's their fault"

That logic is just flat out stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:30 am 
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And sidenote: This two party system is a joke. It's there for nothing more than smoke. There hasn't been a real two parties in years. You get a few guys who

Support gay marriage and abortion
Oppose gay marriage and abortion

and then complain about the rich and middle classe....then everything else is all about themselves.


How much does any of that really affect us anyways? Whether you are for or against the few topics the two parties want to oppose...does it affect your daily life?

If you don't like gay people, but one moves in down the block does it affect your daily life? If you are for abortion and someone you know who was going to have one decided to keep the baby (for whatever reason) does that affect you?



I want someone who is going to protect our country. I want someone who is going to handle the huge amounts of illegal immigration going on. I want someone who is going to make EVERYONE pay their taxes.

I don't want someone who is going to FORCE me to have healtchare
I don't want somoeone who is going to step in where they have no business stepping in
I don't want someone who doesn't realize that each of us is responsible for our own decisions, and they feel they have to step in and make them for us

There are very few things in this life that any of us are entitled to. It doesn't help when our leader wants to add things to that list that don't belong.

And while I'm being greedy...give me someone who can get gas back to 2 bucks a gallon ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
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They say it started with the tail end of the Clinton Administration... how much of that I believe I don't know but W had everything but a memo saying "Turn around dumb ass you're gonna be attacked in 3 days" sent to him and he ignored it.

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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:41 am 
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The biggest problems we have are

1. The debt. America needs to cut up the credit cards and get rid of useless spending like Nasa researching food for astronauts on Mars when they said they have no plans to send one there.

2. People relying on the government. Why will people work when the government will hand them things for free? This country survived because the colonists instituted a work or don't eat policy. Let's get back to that.

3. Illegal immigrants. We have to find a way to stop this. If they don't belong here, kick them out and keep them out. They are a drain on our economy.

If we could fix those three problems we would be in much better shape. And part of number one and three, is making English our official language. Stop wasting money and resources printing things in spanish.


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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:22 am 
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Ian, the only comment I want to make in this is something which I find a bit unfair.
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-Bin Laden- glad you brought that up. he didn't do CRAP for that but give them the go ahead. Then in his speech took credit for the whole thing. it was all "I did this" and "I did that".....pathetic.

There's nothing wrong with that. Like when you work for a company, you do a fantastic job but the boss always takes the credit in the public eye and it's up to him to share an accolade or two. It's not like we can know the identities of Seal Team Six. As Commander and Chief it was well within in his right to take credit for the actions of his men. The "I" in his speech incorporates the actions of everyone not just the men who pulled the trigger.

Everything else is a fine rebuttal. I don't want to debate but sometimes I think people get so caught up in their dislike for him that they condemn everything he does including actions which they shouldn't.


Understandable and yes I do get caught in my dislike for him. However I believe in contrast when Bush announced Saddam was caught it was "They did this" and "We did this" he was constantly giving props to our military and intelligence community. Obama wasn't all bad and did give some credit to the military but there was a lot of I in that speech.

I did like Ron Paul. IMO he is the type of person Republicans need to be more like. A moderate who doesn't care if controversial topics like same sex marriages are legal. Their business, doesn't effect me even if I disagree with it personally based on my beliefs.

My real hatred for Obama comes for his position of born-alive aborted babies in Illinois. He listened to testimony from nurses where they are left to die sometimes up to 8 hours after being aborted. That just turns my stomach.

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The biggest problems we have are

1. The debt. America needs to cut up the credit cards and get rid of useless spending like Nasa researching food for astronauts on Mars when they said they have no plans to send one there.

2. People relying on the government. Why will people work when the government will hand them things for free? This country survived because the colonists instituted a work or don't eat policy. Let's get back to that.

3. Illegal immigrants. We have to find a way to stop this. If they don't belong here, kick them out and keep them out. They are a drain on our economy.

If we could fix those three problems we would be in much better shape. And part of number one and three, is making English our official language. Stop wasting money and resources printing things in spanish.


Totally agree but the Democrats will not let any of that happen. They get too many of the poor and minority votes. I'd go as far to say if you are on welfare or any kind of Government assistance and not old or disabled you don't get a vote.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:44 am 
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Back to the original question - Yes. I voted. In addition the the presidency there were some important ballot measures for California. One of the 2 education measures passed (the one the Governor was plugging, not the one that Commander Adama was promoting) so that's good for the state. The one I'm most surprised by is Measure B passed. That's the one that says you have to use condoms on all porn shoots from now on.
That's gonna be someone's JOB now... to sit around on porn sets and make sure everyone is wrapped up tight.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:58 am 
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Hey D, I heard that was just for LA county, all they have donismove the shoot to the valley, and you can go commando!


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 Post subject: Re: Did you vote today?
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j1h15233 wrote:
The biggest problems we have are

1. The debt. America needs to cut up the credit cards and get rid of useless spending like Nasa researching food for astronauts on Mars when they said they have no plans to send one there.

2. People relying on the government. Why will people work when the government will hand them things for free? This country survived because the colonists instituted a work or don't eat policy. Let's get back to that.

3. Illegal immigrants. We have to find a way to stop this. If they don't belong here, kick them out and keep them out. They are a drain on our economy.

If we could fix those three problems we would be in much better shape. And part of number one and three, is making English our official language. Stop wasting money and resources printing things in spanish.


Bingo. The ideas themselves are so simple.

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